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		<title>By: Score One for Facebook: Board Changes Mind &#38; Teacher Keeps Job &#124; TechIntersect</title>
		<link>http://billgx.edublogs.org/2009/06/13/teacher-fired-for-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-382</link>
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		<description>[...] KS High School Government teacher Tim Latham was fired after his first year of teaching in the district. A veteran teacher, some speculated that his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: philhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>philhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a child, I was the victim of some horrific experiences at the hands of some fundamentalist teachers. It took me decades to purge my soul of their, err, &quot;teaching&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child, I was the victim of some horrific experiences at the hands of some fundamentalist teachers. It took me decades to purge my soul of their, err, &#8220;teaching&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Genereux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Genereux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo, they weren&#039;t separate in Kansas. The State Board of Education &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_evolution_hearings&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;adopted Intelligent Design as a &quot;science&quot; standard&lt;/a&gt; to be taught in the science classroom. It was eventually overturned a couple of years later but only after drawing unneeded attention to the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo, they weren&#8217;t separate in Kansas. The State Board of Education <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_evolution_hearings" rel="nofollow">adopted Intelligent Design as a &#8220;science&#8221; standard</a> to be taught in the science classroom. It was eventually overturned a couple of years later but only after drawing unneeded attention to the state.</p>
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		<title>By: johart1</title>
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		<dc:creator>johart1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS I think I must have been very lucky and my teachers must have been very good role models - I was taught evolution by one teacher who in later years I discovered was very religious and almost certainly leaned to the creationist viewpoint but was also scientist enough to teach the curriculum without imposing his own views - at the time I had no idea of his view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS I think I must have been very lucky and my teachers must have been very good role models &#8211; I was taught evolution by one teacher who in later years I discovered was very religious and almost certainly leaned to the creationist viewpoint but was also scientist enough to teach the curriculum without imposing his own views &#8211; at the time I had no idea of his view.</p>
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		<title>By: johart1</title>
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		<dc:creator>johart1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your reply to my comment. Interesting that you raise the evolution issue - as a former teacher of biology in UK I found it totally bemusing when I came across (in Australia) a debate about this with respect to science teaching and a focus on the creationist view that did not acknowledge evolutionary theory. Evolution was taught as standard curriculum in UK in biology, human biology and environmental science up to yr 13 (age 18). Creationism was (if anywhere) the province of teaching on Religious Knowledge - which was supposed (I have no knowledge of the actuality) to address a range of religions from a comparative point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reply to my comment. Interesting that you raise the evolution issue &#8211; as a former teacher of biology in UK I found it totally bemusing when I came across (in Australia) a debate about this with respect to science teaching and a focus on the creationist view that did not acknowledge evolutionary theory. Evolution was taught as standard curriculum in UK in biology, human biology and environmental science up to yr 13 (age 18). Creationism was (if anywhere) the province of teaching on Religious Knowledge &#8211; which was supposed (I have no knowledge of the actuality) to address a range of religions from a comparative point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Genereux</title>
		<link>http://billgx.edublogs.org/2009/06/13/teacher-fired-for-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Genereux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the question. Did the teacher encourage alternative points of view? If you have ever sat in the classroom of a teacher who clearly doesn&#039;t agree with you, (I have) it can be most worrisome, especially if you get the feeling you will be punished for disagreeing.

I do think it&#039;s the job of a teacher to make students uncomfortable through challenging dogmatic beliefs. It&#039;s ok to believe something, but you ought to have a better reason for believing than simply because that&#039;s how your parents believe.

A conservative teacher in liberal Douglas County might be exactly what those kids need, but evidently something went wrong with how he presented those views. I really don&#039;t want to believe his firing is as simple as having an unpopular point of view (though I suppose it could be). Sometimes how your message is presented is every bit as important as the message itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the question. Did the teacher encourage alternative points of view? If you have ever sat in the classroom of a teacher who clearly doesn&#8217;t agree with you, (I have) it can be most worrisome, especially if you get the feeling you will be punished for disagreeing.</p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s the job of a teacher to make students uncomfortable through challenging dogmatic beliefs. It&#8217;s ok to believe something, but you ought to have a better reason for believing than simply because that&#8217;s how your parents believe.</p>
<p>A conservative teacher in liberal Douglas County might be exactly what those kids need, but evidently something went wrong with how he presented those views. I really don&#8217;t want to believe his firing is as simple as having an unpopular point of view (though I suppose it could be). Sometimes how your message is presented is every bit as important as the message itself.</p>
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		<title>By: philhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>philhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, it depends on how one defines &quot;Not Fitting In&quot;. In my own terms, any fanatic, either religious (=the Bible is the whole of the truth) or scientific (=rejection of the human need for religion) is unacceptable. Like Voltaire, I defend your right to say what you believe, with the added (and un-Voltairian) rider, that you acknowledge the right of your intellectual adversary to hold the antithetical view.

Failure to acknowledge the right of your intellectual adversary would amount for me to legitimate grounds for a sacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, it depends on how one defines &#8220;Not Fitting In&#8221;. In my own terms, any fanatic, either religious (=the Bible is the whole of the truth) or scientific (=rejection of the human need for religion) is unacceptable. Like Voltaire, I defend your right to say what you believe, with the added (and un-Voltairian) rider, that you acknowledge the right of your intellectual adversary to hold the antithetical view.</p>
<p>Failure to acknowledge the right of your intellectual adversary would amount for me to legitimate grounds for a sacking.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Genereux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Genereux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Jo. My very best history teacher was able to express both sides of an issue without giving the slightest hint of a personal opinion. I was never able to guess his political leanings as his student; it was only after I joined the faculty as a teacher myself that I began to learn how he felt personally.

Teachers have a duty to be fair, but I like your preference for presenting facts and supporting information. My state has in the past become embroiled in controversy over teaching evolution &amp; intelligent design in the science classroom. To me, one is a scientific theory, the other an article of religious faith cloaked in &quot;science.&quot; I don&#039;t envy teachers struggling to juggle that particular issue in the name of openness to differing opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Jo. My very best history teacher was able to express both sides of an issue without giving the slightest hint of a personal opinion. I was never able to guess his political leanings as his student; it was only after I joined the faculty as a teacher myself that I began to learn how he felt personally.</p>
<p>Teachers have a duty to be fair, but I like your preference for presenting facts and supporting information. My state has in the past become embroiled in controversy over teaching evolution &#038; intelligent design in the science classroom. To me, one is a scientific theory, the other an article of religious faith cloaked in &#8220;science.&#8221; I don&#8217;t envy teachers struggling to juggle that particular issue in the name of openness to differing opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: johart1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO it is important that students are exposed to a range of opinions &amp; again IMHO any school, college, centre of learning that dismisses someone whose opinions do not &quot;toe the party line&quot; is depriving students of their right to be exposed to different opinions. However I don&#039;t think it appropriate as a teacher to use my position to canvas my own opinions without giving students the opportunity to access opposing ideas. However as a trained scientist I have a preference for presenting facts and any relevant and valid statistical supporting information. Opinion is the students&#039; own business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO it is important that students are exposed to a range of opinions &amp; again IMHO any school, college, centre of learning that dismisses someone whose opinions do not &#8220;toe the party line&#8221; is depriving students of their right to be exposed to different opinions. However I don&#8217;t think it appropriate as a teacher to use my position to canvas my own opinions without giving students the opportunity to access opposing ideas. However as a trained scientist I have a preference for presenting facts and any relevant and valid statistical supporting information. Opinion is the students&#8217; own business!</p>
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